Recap of Part 1
If you haven't watched the first part of the Alkaline Water Myth series, I suggest you start by catching up on the first episode HERE.
We shed light on the first two statements I keep hearing so often:
1: "The body is alkaline and that's why we should drink alkaline water."
2: "The Otto Warburg Quote: Cancer cells can't survive in an alkaline environment (the body)."
We talked about the term alkaline / ionised water and how the body regulate its own pH to keep in balance (homeostasis). We also talked about what for Otto Warburg won his Nobel Prize and what the truth behind his so commonly (mis)used statement is. You can read about and watch the episode HERE.
In this episode, Paul Barattiero of Synergy Science/Echo Water and I will continue to help clarify what's been misrepresented so many times.
Interview Transcript and Video
If you prefer to read the content of the interview, I've included the transcript below. But remember - you can always watch it by scrolling to the bottom of the blog post.
Myth no. 3: Alkaline water can neutralise acidity in the body.
Veronika: "Can alkaline water buffer(=neutralise) acid? Is there any difference between adding baking soda / pH drops to drinking water and drinking alkaline water produced by electrolysis? Would that have an effect on a liquid lower than pH seven?
Paul: "We can't just say alkaline water. We need to preface our conversation which what caused that water to be alkaline? Is it because it came out of a mountain that had very water soluble minerals that were able to be grabbed by the water and brought into itself? There're some waters in the US here where you have 8.2, 8.4 pH coming out of the mountain because of the minerals being water soluble. And you have other waters coming out of mountains that are 5.5 pH. So those waters that are 8.2 / 8.4 would be considered alkaline and it's because of mineral content.
Well, that could be significantly different than water coming out of an electrolysis device that is higher pH. Not based on mineral content but based on electrolysis or the by-process of electrolysis so let's focus our conversation on electrolysis.
In the mechanism of electrolysis we're separating water and affecting the chemistry of water. The net result are two streams of water, one being what we call 'acid water' because it's lower than seven pH. The other being alkaline because it's higher than seven pH. The alkaline water has little to no buffering (neutralising) capacity until you get up to let's say 10, 11 pH. Then you'll have some slight buffering capacity because you could have some salts, some calcium salts develop. Let's compare this to stomach acid.
Stomach acid and alkaline water
We know stomach acid is highly, highly buffered. There isn't much that can survive stomach acid. It's hydrochloric acid; very, very powerful. Whereas you can take a 15 ounce glass of water to 10pH, drop a few drops of lemon juice (which by the way would be a 2pH) and it would plummet the pH of that alkaline water out of an electrolysis machine.
So we know even from a simple perspective of dropping lemon juice into a water, just a few drops can plummet the pH we know that water isn't gonna last in the stomach with hydrochloric acid.
However, what we need to understand in all of it is just because the pH is higher doesn't mean there is any buffering capacity. A study was done showing that you'd have to drink 10,000 litres of a 10pH water out of an electrolysis device to buffer the same amount of stomach acid as a quarter teaspoon of baking soda.
There's no comparison to a baking soda. Baking soda is highly buffering alkaline water but has little to no buffering capacity in the body. There's really no ability for alkaline water to do that."
Veronika: "When you say that baking soda has much higher buffering capacity, would that also mean that it wouldn't be recommended for people to use in their drinking water just to make it alkaline? Could it cause damage?"
Paul: "Well I don't know if it causes damage but what it will do is put an additional burden on the body because anytime you're buffering stomach acid the body has to produce more stomach acid. If you are raising the pH in the stomach, the body then produces more HCL and lowers the stomach pH. Then you have bicarbonates going into the blood. Either potassium or calcium bicarbonates depending on the diet but the reality is every time you put that burden on the body, for it to create hydrochloric acid, you are making the body produce hydrochloric acid. So some people have difficulty as they get older producing hydrochloric acid. Some people have low stomach acid and therefore if you were giving them that burden, it would be very difficult for their body. It would not be a wise thing to do to force their body to be constantly producing stomach acid."
Myth no.4: If you suffer from 'XY disease', drink some alkaline water with pH higher than 10.
Myth no.5: When you start drinking alkaline water you always detox.
Veronika: "Would drinking water above pH 10 be recommended?"
Paul: "It's interesting because, of course, as we know in the last 13 years, I can tell you there are many, many people that drink and teach to drink water at a higher than 10 pH. There are some companies out there that market products and the machines that do electrolysis and they'll tell people: 'If you have these certain diseases, you need to drink this 11+ pH water.'
I think that's very, very problematic. I think it's very bad advice. I'd tell you that in my history there's about 10 to 15% of the population that have a negative effect on their body by when they drink pH over 10. And it's just... everyone is a little bit different and some people can drink the highest pH that comes out of these machines and be fine with it from day one. They just go for it and go for it and the body is okay, it's resilient.
Then there are other people who really need to work their way up for their body not to respond. So there's what's called a Herxheimer effect and there's some issues with some people. It just knocks their system out of balance if they drink too high a pH.
This is why it's important to understand and not to make blanket statements that 'Hey, this is okay' or 'this is good'. We need to make sure that we look at every individual individually and if their system is telling them I don't like this, then we need to pay attention and ask the question why.
It could be that they are going through a detoxification but more times than not, that's an excuse in my opinion. Lot of people give people high pH water and their body is having a tough time dealing with it because it is just not the way their system is designed to function or maybe they have weaknesses in other areas that this causes that to be exploited.
We need to not just make an excuse, oh it is a detox symptom, when it may not be a detox symptom. So for some people it can be a problem. For other people it is not. I think it is about maybe 10%, maybe a little more but those people do have effects on drinking higher pH water, higher than 10.
I've never and would never recommend, and in fact, in our owner's manual of our machine, we say in there it is not recommended to drink pH 10 water all the time or higher than that.
If you have a situation where you feel like you are getting rundown or sick or something and you want to bolster your system or something that's fine but really there's no need to drink a pH higher than 10 ever."
Veronika: "And then the benefit of that wouldn't come from the pH but from another quality of the water which we will discuss later."
Myth no.6: Drinking slightly acidic water or water with no minerals will pull minerals out of your body.
Veronika: "How about on the other side of the spectrum; drinking slightly acidic water tor rain water wouldn't be beneficial for the body. What's your take on that?"
Paul: "My personal opinion is that it doesn't matter to the body. I really don't think it does and I know that there're people out there that slam alkaline water. There're people out there that slam reverse osmosis distilled water. Really and truly I don't think it makes much difference to the body the pH of the water.
Alkaline vs alkalinity
Now, we need to make sure we have two terms that we explain correctly because people get confused. I've heard people interchange alkaline and alkalinity and these are two completely different things.
Alkaline or acid simply is talking about higher or lower than seven pH.
Alkalinity is how much mineral content is in the water. And you could have a water that's high or low pH with no minerals in it and it's not buffered. Even distilled water.
Distilled water is going to have an acid pH because there are no minerals in it. As soon as you'd add some minerals back in, the pH would raise right back up and you could take that water to an 8 or 9pH; that's fine, just add some minerals back in.
Minerals in water
Still, we need to understand that because there are no minerals in water, that doesn't mean there is a problem with the water. Where you live, Veronika, is very low mineral water so that water coming out of the beautiful mountains that you are so lucky to live around would naturally be acid, if you were to test it on a pH scale, it would be not as acid as distilled water but it would be an acid pH. And drinking that would be no problem.
I've heard conversations or I've heard people say, 'oh if you drink water that has low mineral content it's gonna pull the minerals out of you.' I don't know where this information came from. I have no idea where the information came from because it is not true. And the minerals that are in the water are inorganic mineral rock. The minerals that we need in our body are organic - typically from food.
So I don't know why on earth someone would think that water somehow would take precedence over our own body once it's inside of our body to take things from a simply because somehow the idea that water would need those minerals.
If water needed the minerals then there would no water on Earth that didn't have hardly any minerals in it and that's not true.
We have people in Germany; I was just talking with a wonderful gentleman who we both know last weekend; He said that there are some waters in his area that have 300 TDS (total dissolved solids) of minerals (a lot). There's other waters in his area that have 5 TDS (nearly nothing - distilled water has 0 TDS). That's almost nothing in it naturally.
So we need to understand that some of these principles that people teach aren't true and they're based, I believe, on at some point people who were marketing things. Unfortunately some people have to sell in a negative manner.
They have to talk something down to create a need for their product. We don't do that. We talk about the need because there is a need. And we need to be careful not to say 'hey if you drink this water or this water it's gonna ruin your health'. I don't believe it is.
The role of water in the body
Water is there for three reasons. Hydration number 1.
Number 2, every system in our body whether it is digestion or urologic or whether it is joints, water is used to pressurise the joints in our body. Water is used for digestion because you can't create elimination without water.
Also three quarters of our body is water. And water can carry frequencies, energies, different information that we are just beginning to understand now but that's also a part of the body's energy and frequencies inside the body.
And water is main in that; it can broadcast and it can be a very beautiful solution which we don't really understand. But it has nothing to do with water is somehow gonna ruin our health if we drink it without minerals. So I think that's a myth. So there's the myth buster. That's false information."
Myth no. 7: Alkaline ionised water has 3-5 water molecules vs tap water has 15 (or so) water molecules in a water cluster.
Veronika: "The next thing that I've heard so many times in the past was the phenomenon of microclustering."
Paul: "It's completely false. Micro clustering was a hypothesis.
Electrolysed water generator a medical device
Back in 1980s and basically, so in 1985 in Japan the electrolysis devices were made a medical device.
Why were they made a medical device? Because of 15 years of human trails from 1950 to 1965 in Japan. They did human trials and what they found is that improper fermentation in the gut was stopped by electrolysed reduced water.
That primary thing's caused the japanese ministry of health to create or deem these machines a medical device. So that's what they did. When they started testing the water and using it in medical uses and what have you, they started seeing that many things were helped. Diabetes and all kinds of things were helped that these individuals had.
So then they wanted to figure out 'oh my gosh, why is it helping me with all these things?' We didn't know that hydrogen was involved. I don't want to put a sneak peek there but we will dangle the carrot but they didn't know hydrogen was involved. They assumed it was because of the pH because that was the easiest thing to see or to view in the water.
Well, then they had a hypothesis in 1980 so 15 years later they are thinking 'oh maybe the water more quickly goes into the body because we know that electrolytes reduced water is absorbed faster in the body. We know there is a faster gastric emptying of this water.' So they were trying to show or study or to prove why that happened because people like that the water goes out of their stomach faster.
The micrloclustering hypothesis
The hypothesis was that somehow the structure size of the molecule the number of molecules in a water cluster as its called was dropped in half through electrolysis. That's why we call it microclustering.
They studied it and studied it and studied it and back in 1990s in the '90s they proved that it was false. But to give a little background - they used nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) and they studied the size or what they thought was the size of the water molecule. So they studied electrolysed reduced water, reverse osmosis, distilled water, tap water, well water. They took all different samples.
They tested them through nuclear magnetic resonance to see and what came back was a frequency was different.
You may have a 100 hertz on well water. Well it was 50 hertz on electrolysed reduced water and all of the sudden they are like: 'Holy cow, if it's a 100 hertz here and it's 50 hertz it must be half the size.' It wasn't till later that they realised it was actually the pH that was reacting with NMR. It had nothing to do with micro clustering. It had nothing to do with the structure change. It was simply the pH reacting with nuclear magnetic resonance. Later they said" 'oh, this is false.' But people selling machines said: 'Well, well that works for me. People buy into that. So I'm gonna keep on talking about it and that's why we still have it today.'
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